D5200, 5200, 25050
D5200, 5200, 25050

Photograph courtesy Russell Saxton
25050 waits for the crew change to be completed at Derby's Platform 4 on February 11th 1981. The locomotive has only very recently been transferred from Haymarket to Toton.

During its twenty year career D5200/25050 was allocated to depots on the London Midland, Eastern & Scottish Regions.

Built BR Derby Locomotive Works.
Boiler equipped.
Dual brake equipped (September 1978).
Center lampbracket & other fittings removed.
Angled strip at bottom of cab doors (Glasgow modification).
Time between last Classified repair and withdrawal: 55 months.
Time between withdrawal & scrapping: 23 months.


The frames for D5200 were laid down during January 1963 at Derby Works. D5200 was new to Toton (18A) on June 1st 1963 and transferred as follows:

September 1963 to Nottingham (16A).
March 1964 to Derby (16C).
January 1965 to Midland Lines (ML).
August 1965 to Gateshead (52A).
August 1965 to York (50A) on loan.
September 1965 to London Midland (Midland) Line (LMML).
October 1967 to Wigan Springs Branch (8F).
May 1968 to Longsight (9A).
June 1968 to Manchester Division (D09).
May 1973 to Longsight.
March 1975 to Carlisle.
May 1977 to Haymarket.
December 1978 to Eastfield.
January 1980 to Haymarket.
February 1981 to Toton.
May 1981 to Carlisle.
November 1981 to Cricklewood.
April 25th 1983 - withdrawn.

Renumbered March 21st 1974.

Whilst allocated to Cricklewood 25050 collided with 25033 at Birkenhead Mollington Street on April 22nd 1983. 25050 was withdrawn three days later. By the end of April 1983 25050 had reached Derby Works and remained here until moved in a large convoy of withdrawn locomotives to Swindon Works on February 4th 1985 and broken up there by early April 1985. Whilst at Derby Works the undamaged cab of 25050 was fitted to 25058.

25050 was the 175th Class 25 to be withdrawn, one of six retired during April 1983.

The final movement of 25050 included 25050/062, 25129/133/146, 25220/233/274/294 9X12 Derby Works Swindon on February 3rd & 4th 1985.

Works Visits

Works visits (records incomplete).

Noted Derby Works October 1966.
Noted Derby Works August 1968.
Noted Derby Works June 1970 (full repaint in blue/yellow).
Noted Derby Works August 1973.
Noted Derby Works January & February 1975.
Noted Glasgow Works June 1978 & September 1978 (classified included fitting of dual braking equipment).


Condition April: generally disgusting condition, green livery (no frame level stripe visible), small yellow warning panels which include the frame level valencing, gangway doors did not appear to be yellow, unless very dirty.

On Saturday May 2nd D5200 worked the 16.41 Sheffield Midland - Manchester Central.

Condition October (at Derby Works): green livery with small yellow warning panels, curved upper corners, warning panel covers frame level stripe, blanking plates fitted, hand/footholds present, straight sided sandboxes, three-rung bogie mounted footsteps, engine exhaust located above engine room.

On April 23rd the 09.00 Liverpool Exchange - Glasgow Central was worked to Preston by D5200.

On May 19th the 09.50 Liverpool Exchange - Glasgow Central was worked to Preston by D5200, at this time this service was frequently steam worked.

On Sunday June 16th D5055, D5063, D5136, D5139, D5200, D5210, D5242 & D7546 were stabled at Newton Heath shed.


Photograph courtesy Tony Sayer.
Thirty three months and sixty seven Type 2s separate the delivery to traffic of D5133 & D5200, which are seen together at Newton Heath depot on August 15th 1970. Although built to the same basic design the photograph details many differences between the two locomotives. In particular the two large front cab windows of the D5176 onwards are deeper than the earlier Class 24 & Class 25/0s.

On August 15th 5200 was stabled at Newton Heath, in blue/yellow livery, gangway doors present.

On August 29th 5200 & 7676 worked the 09.20 Manchester Piccadilly - Yarmouth to Lincoln Central, returning from there with the 09.28 Yarmouth - Manchester Piccadilly.

On March 25th 5200 worked the 18.06 Manchester Exchange - Blackpool North vans (4P05).

5200 was the Manchester Victoria banker on April 26th.

On May 21st 5200 was the Manchester Victoria banker, whilst on the morning of May 23rd 5152 & 5200 were the bankers at Manchester Victoria.

At about 6am on July 26th 5200 was noted passing Manchester Exchange with a down van train.

On the early evening of August 4th 5200 was noted passing Manchester Exchange with a down van train.

5200 was on empty coaching stock duty at Manchester Piccadilly on September 23rd.

5200 was the Manchester Victoria banker (T43) on March 13th.

At about 11am on May 5th 5199 & 5200 were noted at Kidsgrove with the 1X01 10.20 Congleton - Crewe Royal Train. At Crewe 216 & 313 were to take the train to Runcorn(?).

At about 6am on May 17th 5200 was noted passing Manchester Exchange with a down van train.

On June 17th 5200 & 5198 worked the 09.20 Manchester Piccadilly - Yarmouth to Lincoln Central, returning from there with the 09.28 Yarmouth - Manchester Piccadilly.

At about 5.30pm on September 27th 5200 was noted passing Manchester Victoria with an up freight (9T51).

A Cleethorpes - Aberystwyth excursion on May 28th was worked roundtrip Wolverhampton - Aberystwyth by 5190 & 5189.

On November 3rd the 08.36(?) Manchester Piccadilly - Euston (1L77) with E3194 was worked as far as Stockport with 5232 & 5200 assisting (electrification work?). 5200 was on empty coaching stock duty at Liverpool Lime Street on November 26th, 27th, 29th & 30th.

5200 was on empty coaching stock duty at Liverpool Lime Street on October 15th & 19th.

5200 was on empty coaching stock duty at Liverpool Lime Street on December 2nd.

At about 7am on April 30th 25050 was noted at Manchester Victoria with a down van train (4H03).

On May 24th 25050 worked the 17.17 Llandudno - Manchester Victoria, the next day (25th) it worked the 08.57 Manchester Victoria - Llandudno and the 18.45 return. The 09.20 Manchester Victoria - Llandudno Town on May 26th & 27th was worked by 25050.

On August 10th the 09.19 Manchester Piccadilly - Yarmouth to Lincoln Central and the return 09.15 Yarmouth - Manchester Piccadilly from Lincoln Central was worked by 25050 & 25054.

On November 9th 25050 (Longsight allocated) was noted at Exeter stabling point.

On November 12th 25050 was noted at Exeter stabling point, the locomotive having been failed at some point.

On December 18th 25050 worked the 4M03 05.07 Leeds City - Manchester Victoria vans. On December 20th 25050 was noted at Manchester Victoria with the 6M10.

On February 21st 25050 made a test run from Derby Works.

The snag sheet for February 21st recorded:

25050; February 21st 1975; time 9.41
Load Speed Amps Volts Notes Other
1 28 950 - - FDR ok
2 36 925 - - FDR ok
3 43 950 - - FDR ok
4 49.5 990 - - FDR ok
5 62 - - - FDR ok
6 - - - - -

Recordings below taken after Loughborough.

Load Speed Amps Volts Notes Other
1 29 850 - - -
2 36 825 - - -
3 43 890 - - -
4 49 - - - -
5 60 - - - -
6 66 1,000 - - -

B side crankcase doors issue.

25050 was on empty coaching stock duty at Liverpool Lime Street on March 4th & 5th.

On the morning of May 5th 25050 was stabled at York.

On May 28th a Glasgow Queen Street - Dundee service (?) was worked by 25050. On October 8th the 23.05 Edinburgh - Perth (portion for 23.30 Glasgow - Inverness) was worked by 25050 & 25046. The locomotives then returned south to Carstairs to take over the Crewe - Fraserburgh WRC 'Spirit of the Barley' railtour between Carstairs & Aberdeen.

Photograph courtesy Malcolm Roughley
25050 & 25079 working the 05.04 Craiginches Yard (Aberdeen) - Elgin at Inverurie early on the morning of July 27th 1977.

On August 6th 26028 & 25050 were noted at Glasgow Queen Street on an unidentified working, on August 8th the same pair worked an afternoon Aberdeen - Edinburgh service.

The failure of the 15.22 Dundee - Edinburgh on April 14th saw 25050 drag the service from ?? to Edinburgh.

Passenger workings during 1979 featured familar internal Scottish turns. On February 11th 25050 was noted at Oban at the head on an unidentified service to Glasgow Queen Street. On the last day of February (28th) 25050 worked the 11.38 Dundee - Glasgow Queen Street and the 14.44 Glasgow Queen Street - Dundee. Three days later on March 3rd the 17.44 Oban - Glasgow Queen Street was worked by 25050 & 27012.

25050 was noted at Dundee on April 1st, having arrived with a freight. April 6th found 25050 working the 11.03 Perth - Edinburgh.

On June 15th the 22.20 Perth - Euston was worked to Mossend Yard by 25050 & 25068.

On October 7th 25050 was light engine southbound at Aviemore.

The 08.45 Edinburgh - Aberdeen was worked by 25050 on June 9th. The next day (10th) 25050 worked the 14.44 Glasgow Queen Street - Dundee and the 17.33 Dundee - Glasgow Queen Street.

On July 1st 25050 worked a late evening Newcastle - Carlisle parcels. On July 10th, whilst many miles away from the Scottish Region, 25050 worked the 11.05 Manchester Victoria - Holyhead. On July 20th the 21.25 Dover Western Docks - Stirling motorail was worked north from Mossend Yard by 25050 & 27025.

A Shrewsbury - Edinburgh day excursion was worked roundtrip Carstairs - Edinburgh on November 1st by 25050 & 25086. Towards the end of November (29th) 25050 worked the 07.39 Dundee - Glasgow Queen Street.

Photograph courtesy Norman Smart
25050 is seen shunting at Elgin sometime during 1980.

On October 16th 25050 was shunting at Elgin.

By February 1981 25050 had been transferred south to Toton, being noted on March 1st working the 02.25 Euston - Bletchley.

On May 25th the 08.00 Leicester - Llandudno Town day excursion failed at Stoke-on-Trent behind 47353, 25050 & 25066 worked the service to Llandudno Town, returning throughout with the 19.20 Llandudno Town - Leicester.

On July 2nd 25213 & 25050 worked the Cranmore - Ellesmere Port bitumen tanks.

The Stanlow - Heysham Harbour oil tanks were worked by 25050 & 25213 on July 13th.

On October 1st the 16.36 Birmingham New Street - Norwich was worked by 25050. Two days later on October 3rd 25050 was noted at York depot.

On October 28th 25050 was the Manchester Victoria banker.

25050 & 25210 were noted at Northampton with a freight train on March 23rd.

25050 was noted at Appleby on May 14th hauling saloon TODM999501. On May 16th 25050 was stabled at Newton Heath.

A St. Pancras - Bewdley day excursion on April 24th was worked roundtrip Birmingham New Street - Bewdley by 25050 & 25199. On May 14th 25050 was noted passing through Appleby with a Divisional Manager's saloon (TODM999501).

Photograph courtesy Jerry Glover
25050 alongside Newton Heath depot on May 16th 1982.

On June 2nd 25050 & 25209 were noted passing through Newport (Mon) with a freight.

25050 was noted at Willesden depot on July 24th.

During the middle of August in the week of August 16th 25050 worked the 02.10 Manchester Piccadilly - Cleethorpes, returning with the 08.40 Cleethorpes - Doncaster.

On October 2nd 40044 & 25050 were noted passing Kirkby Stephen with a train of track panels. On October 12th 25050 & 25048 worked the 08.20 Leeds - Birmingham New Street. Four days later (16th) the same pair worked the Euston - Liverpool HRT 'Pennine Perambulator' railtour between Bletchley & Toton.


25050 was stabled at Speke Junction on January 13th.

Photograph courtesy Phillip Moore
Crewe station, March 5th 1983. 25050 has about six weeks left in service before its collision with 25033.

On April 7th 25050 was noted passing Bushey with a single parcels coach.

On April 22nd the working life of 25050 came to an end when it collided with with 25033 at Birkenhead Mollington Street. After movement to Derby Works the undamaged cab of 25050 would be fitted to 25058.

25050 was withdrawn on April 25th 1983.

flk 0522 (partial not D5200)

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Last updated July 24th 2022.

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