D7514, 7514, 25164
D7514, 7514, 25164


Photograph collection of webmaster.
A relatively smart looking 25164 at Crewe, date unknown, but most likely not long out of Derby Works. The boiler room grilles have been sheeted over.

Almost nineteen years of service for D7514/25164 was spent allocated to London Midland & Western Region depots.

Built: BR Derby Locomotive Works.
Boiler room grilles sheeted over (1977).
Center lampbracket & other fittings removed No.1 cab only (October 1978).
Final exhaust roof panel: raised, square (previously raised 'L' shaped).
Time between last Classified repair and withdrawal: 73 months.
Time between withdrawal & scrapping: 52 months.

Allocations

D7514 was new to Nottingham (16A) on November 25th 1964. Further transfers were:

January 1965 to the Nottingham Division (D16).
October 1965 to the Leicester Division (D15).
August 1967 to the Nottingham Division (D16).
April 1968 to London Midland Midland Lines (LMML).
June 1968 to Nottingham Division (D16).
January 1972 to Ebbw Junction (86B).
May 1974 to Cardiff.
November 1975 to Bristol.
January 1976 to Crewe.
Withdrawn August 21st 1983.

Renumbered March 1974.

25164 was the 189th Class 25 withdrawn, being one of six withdrawn during August 1983.

After withdrawal 25164 was moved to Derby Works by the first week of October 1983 and remained here until forwarded to Swindon Works on July 24th 1985. However Swindon Works closed before 25164 was broken up, it was moved to Cocklebury Yard on June 3rd 1987, Humberstone Road by June 5th 1987 and into Vic Berry's yard by June 8th 1987. It was placed in the stack until removed during November 1987 and was broken up by the middle of December 1987.

Details of the three major moves:
25093, 25105/164, 25234/248/260, 25312/319 9X12 17.05 Derby Works - Swindon Works July 23rd 1985, hauled by 45060.
25093, 25126/134/161/164/180/193, 25207/208/260, 25306/327 Swindon Works Cocklebury Yard, June 3rd 1987.
25126/134/164, 25260 Swindon Works Vic Berry Leicester June 5th - 8th 1987

Works Visits

Works visits (records incomplete).

Noted Derby Works May 1967.
Noted Derby Works June 1972.
Noted Derby Works April 1973.
Noted Derby Works June & July 1977.
Noted Derby Works June, November 1978.

Highlights

1966
Observations at Chinley on January 29th between 1pm & 4pm included:
D5691 11.05 Manchester - Sheffield
D5186 13.00 Chinley - Derby
D5274 down freight, 17 bogie hoppers (5F67)
48153 down H freight
D5536 Sheffield - Chinley passenger
D112 10.25 St Pancras - Manchester
D5275 up freight (hoppers?)
44842 down H freight
D5278 down freight, 18 hoppers (5F68)
48369 down light engine
D7576 12.25 Manchester - Sheffield
D115 13.07 Derby - Manchester
D1631 down freight (8M12)
48316 down H freight
D49 14.25 Manchester - St Pancras
D1809 down freight
D5275 down freight 18 hoppers (5F69)
48357 up freight
D7524 & D7514 down freight (7X00)
D97 15.25 Manchester - Nottingham.

On February 24th Burton shed was host to 44 locomotives, 21 steam (all in service) and 23 diesels comprised of D9, D135, D143, D1650, D2384, D3572, D3586, D3778, D4150, D5202, D5212, D5293, D7509, D7511, D7514, D7532, D7533, D7536, D7538, D7542, D7544, D7567 & D7594.

On the early morning of March 13th D7514 was light engine at Derby.

Noted at Derby station on March 24th between 4.30pm & 7pm were about fifty train and locomotive movements involving diesel Classes 08/25/37/45/46/47. Class 25s and steam locomotives included:
D7528 shunting empty coaching stock
48350 up freight - oil tanks
D7548 down light engine
D7561 down light engine
D5188 Nottingham?? - Derby passenger (2P92)
D5299 empty coaching stock for Derby - Bakewell service
D5190 empty coaching stock for Derby - Sheffield service
48143 down light engine
D7584 up freight (5G52)
45211 up light engine
D7511 & D7565 down freight (9T44)
48672 down light engine
D7505 up light engine
48103 down freight, later retiring to the shed
48646 up freight
92008 up light engine
48752 down freight
D7572 shunting empty coaching stock
76043 down light engine
D5206 up local
D5204 Sheffield - Derby passenger (2M76)
48214 down special freight
48177 down movement with brake van
45224 down light engine
D7502 up light engine
D5223 up local (2P53)
D68 & D7583 19.45 Derby - St Pancras
Amongst the locomotives on shed during this period included 12039, D2504, D7514, D7572, D7581, D7585, D7646, E6022 & 48064.

On Sunday September 18th D5285, D5294, D7500, D7511, D7513, D7514, D7517, D7525, D7529, D7543, D7544, D7552, D7558, D7564 & D7658.

1967
On the afternoon of May 1st D7514 was stabled at Derby.

On the morning of May 2nd D7514 was stabled at Derby.

On the afternoon of June 6th D7514 was on empty coaching stock duty at Derby.

In the early hours of August 12th D7514 was light engine at Crewe.

1968
On the afternoon of April 8th D1624 & D7514 were light engines at Crewe Gresty Lane.

1969
On the evening of October 2nd 7514 was noted at Banbury.

1970
On April 15th 7607 & 7514 were stabled at Crewe north holding sidings.

On November 28th 7514 & 5247 were noted at Rugby with a freight.

1971
On August 24th the 10.10 Newcastle - Cardiff arrived at Cardiff with 7514 & 16, presumably the Class 45 had required assistance from ??

A Leyton depot - Nuneaton empty ballast (?) was noted through Cambridge with 7514 on October 19th.

1972
A roundtrip from Plymouth to Fishguard and return on March 28th include the following observations:
1045 & 128 1E99 05.40 Plymouth - Sheffield (uncertain where 1045 came off)
7575 at Plymouth
Newton Abbot:
1026 23.45 Paddington - Penzance
1021 06.40 Newton Abbot - Paddington
Exeter St Davids:
805 & 1010 07.10 Exeter - Penzance
6540 07.20 Exeter - Waterloo
7508, 812 stabling point
Taunton:
7588, 7677
Severn Tunnel Junction (passing):
115, 144, 1035, 1039, 1640, 1683, 1745, 1845, 5227, 5180, 5181, 6923
East Usk:
7513
Ebbw Junction
1672, 6999, 7005, 7092, 7099, 7510, 7514
Cardiff:
1061 1C13 08.00 Paddington - Swansea
Cardiff Canton:
129, 1910, 5842, 7086
Margam:
1648, 1945, 6606, 6837, 7098
Landore:
1017, 1056, 1665, 1901, 6887
Swansea:
1056 11.50 Swansea - Fishguard
Fishguard:
6883, 6975
1056 1C68 14.00 Fishguard - Swansea load 11
Swansea:
1925 1BXX 15.55 Swansea - Bristol load 6
Margam:
138, 1611, 1709, 1720, 1750, 6955, 6957
Cardiff Canton:
177, 1923, 6973, 6994, 7075, 7086
Cardiff station:
1609, 6602, 6888, 6930, 6971, 6973, 6985, 7510, 7514
Ebbw Junction:
1902, 5181, 5227, 6875, 6923, 6925
Severn Tunnel Junction:
163, 1589, 1594, 1640, 1729, 5180, 7512, 7624
Bristol Temple Meads (18.10hrs):
68 1V87 09.40 Edinburgh - Plymouth
814
Bristol Bath Road:
806
Taunton:
1654 6M44
7677
Exeter St Davids:
6529 & 812 19.55 Exeter St Davids - Basingstoke
1670 1B75 17.30 Paddington - Plymouth.

On June 5th 7514 made a test run from Derby Works.

The snag sheet for June 5th recorded:

7514; June 5th 1972; time 1.50
Load Speed Amps Volts Notes Other
1 - - - - -
2 34 - - - -
3 41 950 - - -
4 48 900 - - -
5 56 950 - - -
6 64 960 - - -

A&B crankcase? leak
No.4 high pressure fuel pipe ?? leak
Fuel transfer pump ?? leak
Knecht fuel filter adapter
Wheel slip at 75mph, vibrating.

On Saturday June 10th an excursion from St Pancras to York with 1856 (1Z58) included the following observations:
Bedford: 5222, 4139
Wellingborough: 4, 3863, 3864, 7514
Kettering: 7563
Leicester: 3057, 5243, 5246, 7516, 7520, 7522, 7588, 7616
Toton: 3514, 3852, 5224, 5260, 7560
Chesterfield: 5282, 7567, in scrap yard D2383-cond & SR 3107-cond
York Station (by Class):
11, 50, 99, 127, 130, 131, 139, 140, 153, 182
251, 274, 275, 284, 346, 352, 353
1102, 1107, 1110, 1503, 1505, 1531, 1551, 1593, 1596, 1712, 1768, 1792, 1856, 1869, 1904, 1936, 1989, 1997
3874
5027 Aberystwyth-York mail? (to depot)
5241, 7564 (both to depot)
5520, 5546, 5553, 5583, 5599, 5658
6700, 6716, 6754, 6782, 6822
8185, 8191
9000, 9001, 9003, 9005, 9008, 9014, 9017, 9019
Toton: 3400, 3514, 3854, 5173
Leicester depot: 3057, 3786, 5231, 5245, 5277, 7522, 7561
Leicester station: 7520
Wellingborough: 3786, 7516
Bedford: 4139, 5222, 7604.

Although it was allocated to Ebbw Junction at the time, 7514 & 7619 worked the 07.00 Nottingham - St. Pancras on July 7th 1972.

1973
On April 4th 7514 made a test run from Derby Works.

Comments from the snag sheet are:
Radiators unbalanced, A side low
Engine governor not making L/R sw
Oil pressure warning light.

1974
On August 10th 25164 & 25155 worked the 08.10 Birmingham New Street - Cardiff.

1975
On March 5th 25164 was noted at Manchester Victoria.

During early April 1975 strikes and severe wintry weather caused disruption to locomotive rosters. Badly affected was the 08.52 Swansea Paddington which ran with an assortment of power, mixed in with the Class 37s was Ebbw Junction allocated 25164 on April 2nd. It is not recorded how far the Class 25 worked.

May 24th found Cardiff allocated 25164 on weedkilling duty in the Ilkley area!

On July 8th 25164 worked the 11.06 Bristol Temple Meads - Cardiff and the 17.05 return.

On July 11th (and/or 16th?) 25164 was noted at Yatton with the 2B30 12.45 Cardiff - Taunton.

On the morning of August 4th & 5th 25164 was stabled at York.

On August 15th 25164 worked the 16.30 Taunton - Cardiff and the 19.05 Cardiff - Bristol Temple Meads.

1977
At about 8am on March 10th 25110 + 25164 were noted at Birkenhead North on iron ore empties.

On July 15th & 16th 25164 made test runs from Derby. Both working utilised the 1C21 from Derby.

Notes from the snag sheet on July 15th indicated:
Loco overspeed tripped
A C/C door seal
Compressor issue.

Notes from the snag sheet on July 16th indicated:
C/C middle bolts missing
Access door, right hand side
Fuel gallery? door.

Although 25164 was allocated to Crewe during January 1976 it was not until the middle of 1977 that it picked up some familiar passenger workings. On July 17th 25164 & 25122 worked the 09.15 Derby - Skegness and the 18.15 return. The next day (18th) 25164 & 25122 worked the 09.20 Burton on Trent - Skegness and the 19.20 return.

1978
On April 3rd 25164 was eastbound at Penmaenmawr with a short freight.


June 1978 finds 25164 in the deadlines at Derby Works awaiting repairs to its cab damage. A cab exchange was later made, the damaged cab being dumped near the power station, still bearing its builders plate.


Photograph collection of webmaster.
The cabs of 25164, 25045 and one Class 45 on September 23rd 1978.

Noted at Wolverhampton WCML at 3pm on December 30th were 25141, 25164, 85011, 86217 & 86224.

1979
On March 3rd 25164 was stabled at Birkenhead Mollington Street attached to an electric multiple unit.

During the early afternoon of April 13th 25164 was light engine at Stalybridge.

On the morning of April 28th 25164 was stabled at Laira.

On the afternoon of April 29th 25164/25206/25223/25225 were stabled at Exeter.

25164 was stabled at Cockshute on May 13th.

Skegness was also visited on five consecutive days during July 1979. Round trips from Leicester were completed with 25136 on July 15th/16th/18th & 19th. On the 17th a Derby - Skegness was worked, but they returned with a Skegness - Leicester. A total of 918 passenger miles were completed.

1980
On the afternoon of April 8th 25164 was noted at Preston with an up freight.

A Horsehay & Dawley - Port Talbot girders train was worked by 25164 on July 11th.

1981
During 1981 four trips were worked to Aberystwyth. On July 11th 25164 & 25119 worked the 10.10 Euston - Aberystwyth forward from Birmingham New Street. Two weeks later on July 25th 25164 & 25130 worked the 07.40 Euston - Aberystwyth from Wolverhampton, returning with the 16.05 Aberystwyth - Wolverhampton. The next day (26th) the same pair worked a Lincoln Central - Aberystwyth day excursion from Wolverhampton to Aberystwyth and return.

25164 was noted eastbound at Manchester Victoria on September 30th with a lengthy train of coal wagons.

On a snowy December 11th 25164 & 25161 were noted light engines at Derby.

1982
On July 2nd 25164 and a brakevan were noted northbound through Crewe station. On July 3rd 25164 was stabled at Cockshute.

On the afternoon of July 22nd 25164 was stabled at York.

On the afternoon of July 23rd 25056, 25140 & 25164 were stabled at York. On the morning of July 26th 25164 was stabled at York.

The final recorded passenger workings took place during 1982. On August 12th 25164 worked the 09.45 Manchester Victoria - Bangor, the 13.58 Bangor - Manchester Victoria and the 17.45 Manchester Victoria - Llandudno Town.

On September 5th 25164 was attached to a withdrawn Class 503 electric multiple unit at Birkenhead Mollington Street. On September 14th 25164 worked the 1M25 Manchester Piccadilly - St Pancras vans, at least as far as Derby.

On October 30th 25164 worked an unidentified service between Preston & Blackpool.


Photograph collection of webmaster.
Two Class 25s led by 25164 head southbound at Tupton, date unknown. Some of the Avenue Coking plant is visible in the background.

1983
25164 & 25027 were stabled together at Buxton depot on March 12th.

On the damp morning of April 19th 25164 & 25240 were noted passing Chester with ballast wagons headed for Penmaenmawr. On April 23rd 25164 was stabled at Springs Branch.

On May 19th 25164 was northbound at Derby with a freight. 25164 & 25042 were noted southbound at Warrington Bank Quay station with a mineral train on May 23rd.

On June 1st 40158 was noted hauling a failed 25164 and loaded ICI Hoppers westbound through Stoney Bridge, Timperley. On June 16th 25164 & 25257 were noted at Cardiff Central with an engineers train.

25164 was withdrawn on August 21st 1983.

Distinguishing Features
No.2 cab front: driver's side, large rusty dent on corner below handrail: at least September 1981 until withdrawn.
No.2 cab front: 2nd man's side, damage to valencing above multiple unit cable receptacle: at least September 1982 until withdrawn.

Not all known passenger workings are recorded on this page.

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